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Persoon PER-002000

Sebastiaan Johannes Kleu (b.1879)

1879 – ? · historical

Naam

Voorname
Sebastiaan Johannes
Van
Kleu

Die formele doopnaam en die naam waarop iemand werklik geroep is, word albei gehou, en nie een word van die ander afgelei nie. Spelling wat van rekord tot rekord verskil, is self getuienis en nie geraas nie.

Naaste familie

Vader
Sarel Petrus Jacobus Kleu (b.1850)
Moeder
Christina Wilhelmina van der Westhuizen (1861-1931)
Broers en susters

'n Lewe in die rekord

  1. 1879 gebore Born

Ander van dieselfde naam

Afrikaans naming repeats hard, and the Cape Dutch naming pattern reuses a name on purpose, a child who died young has the name given again to a later sibling. These are different people. Never match on a name alone.

Wat ons nie weet nie

A sourced gap beats an unsourced fill. These are the open questions on this person, stated rather than papered over.

Navorsingsnotas

[FS batch, 2 Sep 2026] Added from FamilySearch descendancy views, to make the KLEU/KLUE naming pattern testable against the search for SUSANNA MARIA KLUE, the transferee of Vaste Water in 1923 (PER-000326). *** WHY A BATCH THIS SIZE IS HERE AT ALL, STATED SO IT IS NOT MISTAKEN FOR CREEP. *** These people hold no ground in this district and 9a's test would normally stop them at the door. Frans's reason is the vernoemingspatroon: SRC-613 shows Johannes Diederich Kleu named for JOHANNES DEDERICK FERREIRA, his mother's people, at the font in 1870, so naming in this family tracks kin and a sibship list is the instrument for finding a Susanna Maria. EVERY ROW IS FROM A COMPILED TREE. Years only, no places, no documents. Nothing here is evidence and none of it should be cited as such. LEAD-0332.

*** [2 Sep 2026] THE 1876 BIRTH IS FIXED, AND THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS. *** [FAMILY] This jp klue has birth cert, so birth is correct LKFF-938. SRC-607 is the ZUURBERG BAPTISM of 6 March 1877 recording 'geboren 8e Dec: 1876', with both parents named. It is not a birth certificate - civil birth registration did not exist at the Cape in 1876 - but a baptism entry taken from the parents seven weeks after the event is the strongest form the period offers, and it agrees to the day with FamilySearch LKFF-938. THE BIRTH IS NOT IN DOUBT. *** WHICH REMOVES THE WIGGLE ROOM RATHER THAN SUPPLYING IT. *** He was TWENTY-FOUR YEARS AND TWO MONTHS on 2 February 1901, exactly, and no longer approximately. The two accounts of the shooting give the dead man as twenty-two and as twenty-three, and the stone reads CA 1880. All three now sit two to four years off a date that cannot move. THAT DOES NOT SINK HIM. Both ages are second-hand, one from an album description and one from a local history, neither written by anyone who had this baptism, and a mason's 'ca' is an estimate by definition. But the gap is now a fixed quantity to be explained rather than a fuzziness to be waved through. AND IT SHARPENS WHAT A BETTER CANDIDATE WOULD LOOK LIKE: a Kleu born about 1878 or 1879, which is what the two accounts and the stone all point at between them. This model holds one such man with no recorded death at all, SEBASTIAAN JOHANNES KLEU b.1879 (PER-002000, G82G-87N) - who fits the age and fails the name, since a Sebastiaan Johannes is called Sebastiaan and the stone says Johannes. SO THE TWO CANDIDATES FAIL ON OPPOSITE TESTS, and neither is chosen. What is still owed is the same single document: whatever FamilySearch rests the 1902 death on.

These are working notes, not finished prose: they carry the reasoning, the corrections and the things still marked to verify. They are kept here so the page itself can read as what is known.

Die werksnotas op hierdie werf word in Engels gehou en word nie vertaal nie. Hulle verander met elke navorsingsessie, en 'n vertaling sou uit pas raak met die oorspronklike. Alles anders - die stories, die getranskribeerde dokumente en die koppelvlak - is in Afrikaans.

Elders

FamilySearch-profiel G82G-87N