Clara Herbst
voor 1686-06-28 – voor 1714-02-18 · van Bengale line
Naam
- Voorname
- Clara
- Van
- Herbst
Die formele doopnaam en die naam waarop iemand werklik geroep is, word albei gehou, en nie een word van die ander afgelei nie. Spelling wat van rekord tot rekord verskil, is self getuienis en nie geraas nie.
Drie geslagte om hierdie mens
Werk uit hoe hierdie mens aan iemand anders verwant is →
Klik op enige naam, dan word dieselfde drie geslagte om daardie mens getrek. Daar is nie 'n stampaar hier nie, en ook nie 'n bopunt aan die boom nie: dit wys net die familie wat die naaste aan die mens staan oor wie jy lees, en 'n oop plek is 'n gaping in die rekord eerder as 'n uitspraak oor iemand.
Naaste familie
- Moeder
- Lysbeth Sanders
- Kinders
- Sibille Potgieter
'n Lewe in die rekord
- voor 1686-06-28 gebore Born
- voor 1714-02-18 oorlede Died
Wat ons nie weet nie
- Geen gedateerde rekord bind hierdie mens aan 'n bepaalde stuk grond nie.
A sourced gap beats an unsourced fill. These are the open questions on this person, stated rather than papered over.
Navorsingsnotas
[SRC-259] NAMED IN THE TULBAGH BOOK, and the sentence carries three facts at once. Boeseken and Cairns write that Jan Harmensz Potgieter, having settled beside the Klein Berg River, "made an honest woman of CLARA HERBST, GRANDDAUGHTER OF A FREED SLAVE, LOUIS OF BENGAL, and legitimised their three daughters." So: she was living with Potgieter before they married; their three daughters were born before the marriage and legitimised by it; and her grandfather was an enslaved man who had been freed. She died in 1714, and the inventory of her estate shows the property carried only stock - no vines, despite the census returns crediting Potgieter with 2 000 vines in 1709. The authors note they can offer no explanation for that discrepancy. She is the granddaughter through whom the descent from Louis van BengaleM reaches this family.
[15 Aug 2026] HER TREE ID WAS WRONG and is corrected. It resolved to JACOB VAN DE KAAP, a different person; the right row is baptised before 28 June 1686 and dead before 18 February 1714, which sharpens the bare 1714 this row carried and agrees with the estate inventory the Tulbagh book describes. She married Johannes Harmensz Potgieter on 24 July 1703, which is the marriage the book calls the legitimising of their three daughters. Her mother is PER-001439.
[15 Aug 2026] THE PRIVATE TREE HOLDS LOUIS VAN BENGALE TWICE AND THE TWO ROWS DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT HE WAS TO LYSBETH SANDERS. One row, with no dates, stands as her FATHER; a second, born about 1652 and died 1716, stands as her HUSBAND, and their two daughters carry the patronymic LOUISZ. Lysbeth was baptised before 2 March 1659, so the dated row cannot be her father - he would be seven years older than his daughter, which the chronological test rejects outright.
THE WHOLE DESCENT TURNS ON THIS. If Lysbeth is his daughter, Clara HerbstH is his granddaughter and the Tulbagh book is describing blood. If she is his wife, Clara - her daughter by Johann Herbst - is his STEPgranddaughter and the line does not carry his ancestry at all. The published book says granddaughter; the tree, read one way, says otherwise. NOTHING IS BEING DECIDED HERE. [TO VERIFY] LEAD-0206.
[15 Aug 2026] MERGED PER-001500 into this row. Same woman, and the same collision as her mother's. PER-001440 carries Boeseken and Cairns; PER-001500 was the thin tree row.
These are working notes, not finished prose: they carry the reasoning, the corrections and the things still marked to verify. They are kept here so the page itself can read as what is known.
Die werksnotas op hierdie werf word in Engels gehou en word nie vertaal nie. Hulle verander met elke navorsingsessie, en 'n vertaling sou uit pas raak met die oorspronklike. Alles anders - die stories, die getranskribeerde dokumente en die koppelvlak - is in Afrikaans.
Oop vrae
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Was Louis van Bengale the father of Lysbeth Sanders, or her husband? The descent depends on it
prioriteit 1 · LEAD-0206
The private tree holds Louis van BengaleM twice: an undated row standing as Lysbeth SandersM's FATHER, and a row born about 1652 and died 1716 standing as her HUSBAND, whose two daughters by her carry the patronymic Louisz. Which is right? If he is her father, Clara HerbstH is his granddaughter and the descent this project publishes is blood. If he is her husband, Clara is his stepgranddaughter and the line carries none of his ancestry.
Wat dit sou uitmaak A baptism naming Lysbeth SandersM's parents, or a marriage record for Louis van BengaleM and Lysbeth SandersM. Either one answers it in a line.
Elders
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